Sunday, 12 May 2013
On being 'good enough'
Tuesday, 10 April 2012
Clean ≠ Fair
It is either my good fortune or bad that I am not exposed to Indian advertisements on a regular basis any longer. Recently, a friend posted a link to this article about a new feminine hygiene/ beauty product that appears to have hit the Indian markets- Clean and Dry.
While I agree with many of the points made by Pal (the author)- namely the objectification of women and the locating of their self-worth entirely in how their physical self is perceived by others- I’d like to offer my own thoughts on the product and the ad which I believe are quite distinct from one another (a distinction not clearly apparent in the above mentioned article). I believe that the advertisement is not only a failure as far as feminism is concerned but also as far as good advertising is concerned.
The ad
The advertisement is awful and misogynistic on several accounts. Firstly, let’s take the song. The ad opens with a wistful female voice singing ‘Kho Gaye Hum Kahan…’ Only problem is, the 'hum' (i.e. the duo) do not appear lost in the slightest. The woman is in grief. The man clearly is not.
This line could potentially also apply to any domestic difficulty from infidelity to divorce to bankruptcy. I'm sure a coffee company could recycle the same song and make an ad opening with the same sequence as this one ending in the couple being all happy and content because they changed their brand of coffee. So for me, apart from the fact that the ad depicts the woman (and only the woman) fretting over/ mourning a loss that later turns out to be related to her partner's sexual interest in her, the song in the ad is abrupt, unclear and well, pointless.
The final line of the song is 'Jaana na, hai taazgi yahan' (roughly translated as 'Don't go, here be freshness!) which plays soon after the woman throws the man's keys down her shorts. Is she inviting him to have sex or begging him to stay because she has now 'fixed the problem'?
The man is depicted as being either totally oblivious of his partner’s anguish or totally unconcerned by her distress. Both are fairly undesirable stances. He’s shown to be reading the paper –a somewhat intellectual activity (depending on which paper one reads of course) and carrying on with his life while she ponders over what is lost in their relationship. This suggests that her self-worth begins and ends with how often she and her partner have sex while his sense of self is undisturbed by this aspect of their relationship.
Anatomical ambiguity
My main critique of Pal's article is the failure to distinguish between various components of female genitalia and the use of the word ‘vagina’ by the author when this ad seems to refer to an larger area. I'd like to stress that I am not defending the ad or its ambiguity but only pointing out an anatomical-linguistic inaccuracy that reduces the clarity of what is being communicated. The vagina is not the most visible part of the genitals so it’s more likely that the focus of beautification is on external genitalia. Cosmetic surgery to make the genitals 'look nicer' is increasingly becoming popular in the west and almost always or majorly involves a reconstruction, realignment etc. of the vulva or labia.
Beauty vs. Hygiene
It is very interesting that the ad for the intimate wash is drastically different in its content from an ad for a cream version of the same brand/ product.
Here’s the ad for the wash
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Tx9vVVMWw0
And here’s the ad for the cream
I’m going to bullet-point the major points of departure between the two commercials
(On a side note, it is also interesting that the woman in the former appears more ‘modern’/’western’ – clad in shorts- as compared to both the doctor and the animated woman in the latter – wearing saris and salwar-kameez respectively. I may be hypothesising here, but it may reflect the assumption that ‘traditionally’ attired women are more concerned with practical/health issues than sex. The eternal mother/whore dichotomy in traditional Indian psyche. Not entirely implausible, given the appalling views recently expressed regarding the attire and habits of female rape victims).
The existence of an inoffensive ad for a similar product makes it easier for me to isolate the product from the ad and criticise only the advertisement.
The distinction between beauty and hygiene/medical reasons is quite an important one – whether it’s in the field of everyday products or surgery.
I think in general, if there is a new over the counter cream for genital infections/ discomfort, and it is advertised as such, it is a good rather than a bad thing if it allows women to get access to effective medication for non-serious conditions.
The biggest problem with the first ad therefore is its emphasis on ‘fairness’ and a complete lack of any hygiene related advantages to using the product. The unfortunate truth is that the existence of a product that promises to make the nether regions ‘fairer’ doesn’t surprise me. Why would it? It seems like a natural progression after Fair & Lovely (for the face) and Fairglow soap (for the body). Though it is utterly deplorable, I’m not going offer a detailed critique of the fairness bias in Indian – particularly North Indian- society or the fact that in almost all advertising campaigns pertaining to ‘fairness’ products a woman’s physical appearance determines her competence, employability, confidence et cetera, et cetera. I’m in general agreement with feminist writers about the points they make regarding the objectification of women in Indian advertising.
‘Beautification’ of female genitalia and violence against women: related but distinct
Female Genital Mutilation (FGM) (Those who don’t know what this is can read about it here) is beautification of female genitalia at its worst, performed on girls as young as a year old in several countries, majority of which are in Africa. It is torture and abuse practiced on the pretext of ‘religious custom/ duty’ and/or making the woman’s genitalia more pleasing- visually and sexually- for males.
I attended a seminar on Female Genital Mutilation (FGM) in which an FGM nurse specialist was talking about how, in her perception, FGM was also on a continuum of prejudiced, gender discriminatory and archaic patriarchal attitudes, and adult women who opted for cosmetic surgery on their genitals or even piercings etc. in the genitals were willing participants and perpetuators of these attitudes. I haven’t formulated my thoughts coherently on where I stand with regards to such a comparison, but I can try to see the point she’s trying to make.
One of the readers of Pal’s article commented that in a free market people should be permitted to advertise whatever they want while another commented that women who get drawn into the pull of these skin-lightening products based on advertising and marketing don’t deserve much sympathy. On the other hand one could argue that societal attitudes and prejudices are so deeply ingrained and social pressures so high that women who rebel and don’t conform risk ridicule/ disparagement/ isolation and in many cases, let’s be honest, torture/ abuse and even death.
Women who opt for cosmetic surgery to make their genitals more ‘aesthetically pleasing’ may or may not be doing so under pressure to conform. Aggressive advertising by the beauty and cosmetic surgery market probably does have a negative impact on how female (and male consumers) evaluate their own self-esteem and self-worth but the fact of the matter is that women are free to pierce their clitoris and consent to a doctor taking a knife to their genitals should they be so inclined.
The increasing popularity of cosmetic surgery is not something to celebrate because it indicates that we are tumbling down a path of insecurity and unhappiness with our physical selves and moving from an internal to an external locus of evaluation that, especially for women, begins and ends with how they look.
For many, FGM may lie on the same continuum as cosmetic surgery but while the former is criminally abusive the latter is merely tragic. To put things simply, preventing women from opting for genital reconstruction for aesthetic reasons is not the way to tackle FGM. Similarly, it is tragically true that the objectification of women occurs at varying levels and degrees. While all of its forms, levels and degrees are unacceptable, all of them are not the same as rape and violent sexual assault. There is a distinction between social attitudes that contribute to violence against women and girls and acts of violence. Tackling both is essential if we are to create a world in which women and girls can live free from fear of violence but the distinction between the two must not be lost.
Friday, 23 April 2010
A critique of one argument against the niqab
A BBC article reads - 'The niqab, says leading feminist philosopher Elizabeth Badinter "is totally contrary to the three principles of the French Republic". Those principles - liberty, equality, fraternity - can be seen written or carved on the front of every French town hall. By hiding your face, Mrs Badinter explains as she sips a small black coffee in her elegant apartment in Paris, you breach the principle of equality". She who hides her face is in a position superior to mine," she says. "She sees me but she refuses to reciprocate."'
There was an article in the Times recently that expressed a similar grievance. The author, Alice Thomson, complains about how while watching her offspring playing in Hyde Park with that of a veiled woman, she felt uncomfortable because she couldn't see the other woman's face. This, if the sentiment expressed in the article was anything to go by, caused much tumult in the world of the former. In the absence of non verbal facial cues, she found herself grappling in vacuum in order to understand how the other was responding to her. Was she friend or foe? Was she smiling under the veil or scowling? The title of the article - You are cutting me off as well as you- made me want assume the role of the veiled lady and say, "Okay. So what if I am?"
Friday, 12 February 2010
My "mirroring" other- A book
Wednesday, 10 February 2010
Monday, 10 August 2009
On marriage
Beyond thyself shalt thou build. But first of all must thou be built thyself, rectangular in body and soul...
...Not only onward shalt thou propagate thyself, but upward! For that purpose may the garden of marriage help thee!
...Marriage: so call I the will of the twain to create the one that is more than those who created it....The reverence for one another, as those exercising such a will, call I marriage.
...Far from me also be the God who limpeth thither to bless what he hath not matched!
- Friedrich Nietzsche, Thus Spake Zarathustra
Monday, 3 August 2009
Wednesday, 22 July 2009
All citizens are equal * (Conditions Apply)
P.Chidambaram in "Abject Poverty can be Eradicated": India of My Dreams.
Yes. India of your dreams is right. For if one were to actually check each of these with simple examples from daily life and reality, it ought to shock us back out of this grandiose delusion.
To save time and effort, and because the others were not what impelled me to write this post, I am going to leave them aside and focus on just one of these principles we have so "stoutly defended".
Equality for all citizens.
It is utter crap. And if we only look around, there are several examples to show that we are being lied to. To. Our. Faces.
If we were all, from A-Z, equal then I(we) wouldn't have to go the airport, for example, and read a big board that says "All persons are subject to strict security checking procedures except the following....
-The Prime Minister
-The President
-E T and C
I don't think there exists a rational explanation for why they should be exempt. On what grounds are they allowed to pass while others have to be checked and frisked?
I don't have a problem with being checked and frisked, really. The problem is the preferential treatment.
I mean, if the proud pricks have to be somewhere in such a hurry, and if they are so bloody important, they ought to have the brains enough to leave their homes a little sooner keeping in mind the time of day and traffic flow like the rest of us do.
Even if you leave aside the fact that it is absolutely shameful to pledge allegiance to principles of equality, liberty and justice for all and clearly give priority to some citizens over the others, it is a violation of democratic principles. Why should I wait for the other guy to pass? Because they tell me to. And because they will either shoot me or throw me in prison for trying to get onto a road that's supposedly meant for everyone and that the government maintains by fleecing people of their hard earned money.
* except for some, who are special.
Friday, 15 May 2009
Psychosis of a "crazier" kind
“I felt as though Satan was trying to tempt me in asking this question,” she said. “And then God was in my head and in my heart saying, ‘Do not compromise this. You need to stand up for Me and you need to share with all these people...you need to witness to them’.”
Wednesday, 1 April 2009
A man who keep surpassing himself in the ability to say the most dangerous and obnoxious things
Thursday, 23 October 2008
Sunday, 19 October 2008
Multi-isms of my motherland
"India also has philosophical and aesthetic traditions that are truly majestic in their scope and depth. These range from Vedanta's unifying existentialism to Ghalib's playful symbolism, from Bhagavad Gita's enlightened pragmatism to Gandhi's unflinching pacifism, from Khajuraho's informed hedonism to Kathakali's narrative corporealism, from Buddha's contemplative realism to Tagore's spiritual lyricism, from Nanak's divine eclecticism to Nehru's sophesticated secularism, and from Kabir's poetic mysticism to Rushdie's sardonic surrealism"
- Dr. Salman Akhtar,
Gifted writer and poet, exceptional orator.
Also, a psychoanalyst and psychiatrist.
in 'Freud Along the Ganges- Psychoanalytic Reflections on the People and Culture of India'
Tuesday, 5 August 2008
Of chapatis, chauvinism and other words beginning with the same letters that I would rather not mention
A conversation that ensued at the dinner table with the family was what started off my thoughts on the subject that ended with the above conclusion.
We eat rotis here, in this part of the world. And at the dinner table usually indicate when we reach the last one so that the woman who is making them in the kitchen doesn't stack them up unnecessarily for them to become stale the next day.
A visiting relative, after indicating his saturation point as far as rotis were concerned, commented on how someone he knew (lets call him Snoot) went to dinner to someone else's home and was very offended when asked to tell how many rotis were needed at the table.
The next day, this personification of arrogance made the most rude and hurtful remark to the woman of the house.
He asked her if her husband was earning well and received his pay checks on time, because "tumhare ghar mein toh gin kar roti banti hai" (in your home, you have to count the rotis before you make them)
Of course, I do not think there is anything wrong at all in finding out beforehand, so that one doesn't waste any food, or effort in making rotis that aren't going to be consumed during the same meal. Others on the table also agreed, but El Padre said that while he didn't think it was wrong, he understood the perspective of the gentleman described above. He said that in north India, it isn't considered socially appropriate to ask how many rotis one will have.
Now, I think it all depends on the manner in which the question is asked.
Asking someone, "aap roti toh nahi lenge na" (you wont have any more will you?) isnt right, as one doesn't find it comfortable to respond to a negative assumption with an affirmation.
Asking someone "aap roti toh aur lenge" (you will have one more, wont you) is fine, as it assumes that the person will, establishes that you will very much like him to have more, and are only asking to confirm so that you don't burden him with the already prepared roti if he doesn't want one.
Clearly, the Snoot wasn't making his sick and despicable remark because he felt pressured to say no when he wanted to say yes. He clearly thought it was beneath him to mention that he wanted to have 2-3-4 or 18 more rotis, because it was beneath him to have to answer a question of this nature. Nawabs probably didn't do that. The idea being that your social status is determined by the fact that you can afford to waste a few rotis and allow the food to spill over even if it isnt required, because you are well off enough to be able to spare a few extra grains of wheat.
What a shame. And what a sad person he is, if he has to prove his superiority in this manner- by downgrading the status of another. Of course, without giving sufficient regard to the fact that this man may have been an acquaintance of my visiting relative, I made my views about his behaviour quite clear.
Also, how come no one objects to this when one is paying for the rotis out of their own pockets at a restaurant? Do we not indicate to the waiter, whether more bread is needed? Or do we, Mr Snoot, wait for him to bring a basketful before us, and charge us for it?
So is it a question of disregard for an other's effort and money, whereas one holds one's own dear?
All this is also, in my humble opinion, related in a subtle way to patriarchal values and customs.
How?
You think the women who cook for themselves and are last to eat keep going, without deciding in advance about which will be the last roti?
Men who take offence to such trivial things, are those men, who in a patriarchal set up, eat first, and feel rather king-like when the women serve them*. They probably feel that they needn't worry about these petty things, because even if the rotis are extra and piling up, the women who eat after they are done will happily consume them.
Like nawabs, whose slaves would take of the remains after they are done.
Tuesday, 8 July 2008
La madre amable :-P
Holy Cow: I see!
Comfort: Because I know you will make a wonderful mother
Holy Cow: Yeah. Maybe, by not giving birth to the kids, I am already being a good mother by shielding them from the suffering called existence.
Friday, 20 June 2008
On reservation- just a few points.
Of course she did. So did hundreds of leaders then and so do hundreds of leaders now. All of us wish for an India where such privileges will not be necessitated by the social conditions that systematically oppress and suppress certain classes of persons. However, the dreams that our leaders had in those days have sadly not been our guiding forces in other matters. One look at the state of our nation today will tell you so.
She also dreamt of no reservations based on caste and class. Is that being followed? Do we not have reservations based on class and caste in all spheres of political, academic and social life? Kind sir who made the above mentioned statement, wake up and smell the rot. The ideals you remind us of have been compromised a long time ago.
Thursday, 5 June 2008
No promises broken, no justice denied; He never promised us anything, so we can't say that He Lied
This was some Gyaan (words of wisdom) that the Holy Cow baanto-ed (distributed) to a friend recently.
Tuesday, 20 May 2008
Advertisement: Sunrise Banquet Hall- Price includes flowers, mishri and two cups of coffee
Apparently, according to TQ, I also started recommending it to others who were distraught at the restroom situation on campus. She says I was only too glad to offer advice - "Oh, you should go to the Central Reference Library! It's quite nice!"
Wednesday, 9 April 2008
The Glamour Doll of the Indian Government
And I would like to say a few things about her.
Recently there was an Indo-Africa forum summit organised by the Ministry of External Affairs, which I had the good fortune of attending. In an interactive session held at Taj Mansingh hotel, she was the chief guest or some such fluff.
So she arrived, with an inch thick layer of make up on her face, smiling at everyone as if she were Angelina Jolie attending the Academy Awards Ceremony. She had to deliver the inaugural address in which all she did was praise the UPA, praise Sonia Gandhi, praise Manmohan singh, and of course, play her trump card for women's empowerment- Pratibha Patil. (Most of her sentences had the following words in varying combinations - my government; the present government; our great leader Sonia Gandhi; the stable force behind all change Sonia Gandhi; Sonia; Gandhi; UPA Chairperson)
There was no substance whatsoever in what she said. She just kept acting all heroine-ish and talking in a sultry voice and throwing her head back and laughing in an attempt at sexiness. Like a vamp.
She came across as the kind of woman who would sleep around to get what she wants.
It was quite disgusting to see her behave the way she was, and I basically wanted to throw up.
Then, her over-stressed and over-worked junior from the Department (a word here on the horribly tyrannical power hierarchy within ministries. I mean, the Personal Secretary to the Personal secretary to the Under Secretary lives in absolute terror of the Personal Secretary who is terrorised by the Under Secretary who fears the Joint Secretary who has sleepless nights because of the Secretary who gets flustered and flaps his/her wings like a Duck caught in tar at the thought of the Minister) gave a presentation on the work of the WCD dept. in which they spoke of all their schemes etc without saying a word about how successful / unsuccessful they have been.
And then when the African parliamentarians were asking really important and good questions to her, she gave generic answers like "he he, actually it has taken so long for the men to wake up and listen to us"
One excitingly intelligent lady from Sudan pointed out to Renuka that even though women had their own ministry within the Govt., it would be better to have women ministers in more departments. She also bluntly stated that, and I quote "...Madam, you may be a minister of your department, but you still have to beg the finance minister for funds"
Rather than answering the question as another intelligent woman would have, and trying to understand what the lady was saying, darling Renuka said "...My dear, we don't ask the Finance Minister, we order him. And he jolly well listen to us. Ha ha"
I mean, what was that, really?
When another African parliamentarian told her that she had seen a lot of Indian women sit on the ground rather than on chairs and beds etc, Renuka said the most outrageous thing
"...that's a cultural practice. It should be separated from a social or gender issue. We Indians like to sit on the floor. Even when I go to my village I sit on the floor. Its a healthy yogic posture (!!!) No woman is denied the right to sit on the chair or bed"
Utter crap. I was in villages of Rajasthan early this year, and several women said they were not supposed to sit on the charpoy, because that was a privilege afforded only to the men. Moreover, many women who were seated, actually stood up when men walked past because they couldn't be seen sitting when the men were standing.
Anyway, she kept evading the core issues with answers of this kind. It was despicable
To top it all, when she was asked about the women scavenging on the streets along with their children, she said it was "an organised crime" in India and "he he, you know we Indians are also have a lot of mischief"
Then she mentioned that Rural Employment Guarantee scheme (which btw, is not being implemented the way it should) as a solution to the problem of people living on the streets in the cities, and said "so we are trying to tell them that you know you can work if you really want. So there really is no reason for you to sit on the road expecting to be fed and taken care of "
What the hell is she talking about anyway? If a million homeless women turned up at her doorstep tomorrow, asking for work, even under the NREGA, is she going to give them a job??
The Integrated Child Development Scheme includes creches for children whose mothers are working. At these creches Midday meals are provided. There has been talk recently about the quality of these midday meals being quite poor, and not very nutritious. You know what Renuka's bright idea was? To include biscuits to make the meal more nutritious.
My mother and I, and several others I am sure, provide nutrition in the form of biscuits to children on a daily basis at traffic lights. Is it wrong for us to expect that the provisions made by the Central Government for the same will go beyond just biscuits then?
She finished by saying the Africans should definitely "go shopping because its great"
Monday, 10 March 2008
We tolerate the caste system and use chunks of Mars as paper-weights
.......
"...(India) has been tolerant to different religious concepts, and to the caste system"
Union Home Minister Shri Shivraj Patil
'Acceptance of Anekantvada' in "India of my dreams"
Om Madan Prakash Narayan Shivpuri
Conversation between TQ and Holy Cow (A classic example of the randomness that the two of them are capable of)
TQ- So, who killed Ms. McKenzie? (Asking about a mystery novel she was reading)
Holy Cow- Umm.....Om Shivpuri (Keen to jump at a chance to create tumult and confusion)
TQ-Who the hell is Om Shivpuri
Holy Cow- He is the guy in Gumnaam. The one who ends up being the murderer...no?
TQ- Hain?
Holy Cow- Arre, the fellow in Gumnaam yaar! Don’t you remember Om Shivpuri?
TQ- There is no one by that name!
Holy Cow- Of course there is! Okay, he may not be the guy in Gumnaam, but I know there is someone by that name from old Bollywood.
TQ- This guy is someone else. Om Shivpuri is that guy is Karz
Holy Cow- Which guy in Karz?
TQ- The villain. Sir Judah.
Holy Cow- (Laughing at the name)- Who is Sir Judah?
TQ- That guy at the end. The one who cant speak and communicates only in sign language
Holy Cow- What does he look like? I don’t think he is the same guy from Gumnaam. Because he is not ringing a bell at all! And I have seen Karz twice! The Om Shivpuri I am talking about is a mustachioed man.
TQ- Sir Judah also had a moustache. And he was bald
Holy Cow- He was bald but he had a moustache? How vague is that!
TQ- Why? Chacha Chaudhury is bald and has a moustache!
Holy Cow- Yeah, but he wears a turban so it doesn’t count. Coz we can’t see it.
TQ- I think the guy you mean is some Prakash. Om Prakash!
Holy Cow- Oh yeah!! It could be Om Prakash!
TQ- I don’t know, Om Shivpuri is not having the “aha” quality to the name.
Holy Cow- Oh ho, there is an Om Shivpuri for sure.
TQ- You know, now that you have said the name sp much, it is starting to ring a bell. Though I am also getting a hint of Narayan
Holy Cow- maybe his name was Narayan Om Prakash
TQ- Now we are just going to Kaashi- Mathura! Who is that guy who gets mimicked a lot?
Holy Cow- Oh right. He is Om Prakash. Back to square one. Tell me what this Sir Judah looks like.
TQ- He doesn’t have many teeth
Holy Cow- He doesn’t have many teeth?? That’s what you’re giving me to work with? He doesn’t have many teeth??
TQ- (Laughing uncontrollably now) yeah!
Holy Cow- So we have a bald, fat, tooth less, mustachioed man who cant speak.
TQ- Who was the guy who played Mogambo ?
Holy Cow- Amrish puri
TQ- Oh yeah. His elder brother I think is Om Shivpuri.
Holy Cow- Hmmm.... Is Sir Judah the same as the guy who comes as the rich father in most Bmitabh Bachchan movies?
TQ- No no. Sir Judah doesn’t come as father figure. He only comes as a villain.
Holy Cow- Then who is that guy!?!
TQ- Okay. The guy who gets mimicked is Om Prakash for sure right! So he is in the clear.
Holy Cow- yeah. I don’t know why I am sure that the Gumnaam guy is Om Shivpuri . Though this Sir Judah is boggling the mind.
TQ- Don’t you remember him, he was being massaged by naked women in his little pool in his room. Like a buffalo.
Holy Cow- So now we have a bald mustachioed buffalo without many teeth being massaged by naked women??
TQ- Absolute
Holy Cow- My gumnaam guy was not fat. And in his defense, he didn’t have any hair loss issues either!
TQ- I know. I have established the chronology of events. Gumnaam was much older than Karz. So maybe the Gumnaam guy was young, had hair and teeth and was thinner. And then when he did Karz, he had lost his hair, gained weight and lost his teeth.
Holy Cow- Ha ha, Isn’t one supposed to become frail and thin when one is old?
TQ- he wasn’t that old ..that he was wasting away! Okay, Google for three things. Gumnaam cast, Karz cast and Om Shivpuri.
Meanwhile....TQ had asked her brother who apparently is a film wiz.
TQ- Okay. He says that Sir Judah is Madan Puri, who is Amrish Puri's brother who is also the guy in Gumnaam. Om shivpuri is the guy who plays Vardan in Don.
Holy Cow- Okay. So Om Shivpuri is the guy who I meant as the one playing father figure in Amitabh films.
TQ- yeah.
Holy Cow- I am not convinced about Sir Judah being same as Gumnaam guy. Did Sir judah have blue eyes?
TQ_ Gumnaam was black and white! How would you make anything out with eye colour?
Holy Cow- Gumnaam was in colour! Don’t you remember Mehmood's dream sequence of "hum kaale hain to kya hua?"
TQ- oh yeah yeah. Well, Madan Puri was the same as Sir Judah. The murderer in Gumnaam is Madan Puri. The bearded chap
Holy Cow- Whoa! Hold on a minute! My chap doesn’t have a beard!
TQ- Well the murderer in Gumnaam was bearded.
Holy Cow- there is a chance I am wrong about my chap being the murderer. Oooh…was there a Madan Mohan? An actor by that name I mean?
TQ- You are confusing Madan Puri with Mac Mohan
Holy Cow- Please! Mac Mohan was such a frail little thing
…….
The conversation flickered to an end.
On Googling for the above mentioned, it turned out that:-
1. The murderer in Gumnaam was Madan Puri. The Holy Cow was pleased to find that his face matched the one she had in her head.
2. Sir Judah in Karz was Prem Nath and not Madan Puri. And yes, Prem Nath is quite fat. Though his dental description requires further exploration.
3. Om Shivpuri is the the man who played father figure ish roles in a lot of Amitabh bachchan films.
4. Madan Puri is Amrish Puri’s brother.